The Atlanta Constitution Journal and PolitiFact Check.com has recently published an article critiquing the Georgia SCV’s claim that thousands of blacks served in the Confederate Army. In the end, based on interviews with historian, SCV members and written sources, the article concludes that Ray’s pants are on fire.
I’d forgotten that McBerry ran for Georgia governor last year. I note on his campaign site he opposes the use of government’s eminent domain for “land redistribution.” Huh? Is that a dog-whistle for reparations?
JS…comments like this will end your time here at The Blood of My Kindred!
That’s an independent and a dependent clause, so the punctuation should be a comma, rather than a semicolon.
well I believe yours are too! Quote from the article: “There were 500,000 to 2 million (estimate vary widely) Confederate soldiers who took part in the war.”
From the above quote in that article, Apparently the so called historians don’t even know how many white southernors fought in the war, so how in the world could they have any idea of the number of blacks.
Mr. Berry knows from living, talking, descendants and historical documents that there were far more than the elite NE educators care to claim. Furthermore, the freed slaves would never have admitted it to them if they had!
The War of Invasion was waged by the Union for Money and Power, period!
You comments are pure conjecture. It is easy to sit there and say that Ray McBerry has information that he and he alone is privy to, but that is not history…that is hearsay!
Whatever the number, It is apparently more than the anemic 500 you state simply because the Official Records say so in aggregate numbers by 1st hand accounts.
What is the definition of a “soldier” anyway? Someone with a musket slung over the shoulder? Reckon that eliminates Lee, Jackson, Sherman and Grant. Someone who is eligible to receive a medal? That eliminates the entire Confederate military, since they had no awards. People wearing a certain style uniform? General AP Hill wore a red shirt, green blanket poncho and blue jeans. Quantrill’s men? All disqualified?
Is the person enlisted as a cook only allowed to handle food? What about Dory Miller? Is a person enlisted as a infantryman only allowed to handle weapons? Reckon lots of them would die of starvation.
I tend to believe that a group of people, advancing an agenda or a movement, protecting and preserving a way of life, pioneering and pilgriming a new way, and all similarities thereof, are in fact ‘soldiers’ of that effort.
The brave souls inside the Alamo, the unfortunate souls aboard Challenger, The ragtag assembledge of men fighting the British for our Independence, Climbers of Everest, People aboard ships like Mayflower, Nina, Pinta, Santa Maria, Susan Constant, Godspeed…
I also count myself as a ‘Soldier” for Christ.
So, were there black confederate soldiers? yes. How Many? nobody will ever know. This ‘battle’ of numbers and definitions is a waste of time. Give it up y’all. Yes, there were black confederates with muskets on their shoulder and bullets in their pockets. Nuff said
What I find most remarkabel about those who refuse to accept the idea of blacks fighting for the South is that many of these same people boast of blacks who for for American independence. The Britsh offered them freedom if they fought for the King, yet many fought for the American planters who enslaved them. Why? Yet when we talk of the grandsons of those who fought for American independence fighting alongside of the grandsons of the colonial planters does not make sense. Lincoln and the North did not even want them in their army when the war started. Why is it that these liberals, who clearly hate the South, can accept thr first but not the latter?
On the website above we have links to many Black Confederate sites but the general accepted number is 93,000. The Lillian Henderson Roster of Confederate Soldiers list several. The book Letters to Lucinda by James Addison McMurtrey, speaks of a black confederate that captured 11 Yankees at Chickamauga. Black Confederates a book by Charles Kelly Barrow goes in great detail and while seeing is believing for some of you you can look at the pictures on the website and in the book. As Les mentioned during the Revolution you had Crispus Attucks and in the Confederacy you had men like 10 Cent Bill Yopp, Neptune, and Col Roberts to name a few.
Generlly accepted by who? Surely only the SCV and not any legitamate historical group or historian. You mention the same old tired and tried websites and books. None of them have proved a thing and when most of those so called black confederates are researched the soldier label falls to the wayside very quickly. And we are talking soldiers right? Remember we are using the term soldier as defined by the time period, not by todays standards. Therefore, blacks in the south, whether free or enslaved are not soldiers.
Thanks for the comments, but I don’t think you have proved anything other than that which was already known…and that is suspect at best.
You are expecting details and sound information. If you just accept what they say and don’t question them, it is alot easier to accept their version of history…..
Well, if it’s not thousands…then what is the number?
I mean, if you know it’s not thousands…then you must know the actual number. You must have made an actual count.
Where are the “experts”…anybody got the answer? Kevin Levin? Andy Hall? Anybody? Is anybody out there?
BR,
We may never really know. I would guess somewhere less than 500 and that is being very generous.
So, Corey… 3/5ths of that would be…
Not much!
I’d forgotten that McBerry ran for Georgia governor last year. I note on his campaign site he opposes the use of government’s eminent domain for “land redistribution.” Huh? Is that a dog-whistle for reparations?
you are dog crap; the lot of you
JS…comments like this will end your time here at The Blood of My Kindred!
That’s an independent and a dependent clause, so the punctuation should be a comma, rather than a semicolon.
well I believe yours are too! Quote from the article: “There were 500,000 to 2 million (estimate vary widely) Confederate soldiers who took part in the war.”
From the above quote in that article, Apparently the so called historians don’t even know how many white southernors fought in the war, so how in the world could they have any idea of the number of blacks.
Mr. Berry knows from living, talking, descendants and historical documents that there were far more than the elite NE educators care to claim. Furthermore, the freed slaves would never have admitted it to them if they had!
The War of Invasion was waged by the Union for Money and Power, period!
JS,
You comments are pure conjecture. It is easy to sit there and say that Ray McBerry has information that he and he alone is privy to, but that is not history…that is hearsay!
Whatever the number, It is apparently more than the anemic 500 you state simply because the Official Records say so in aggregate numbers by 1st hand accounts.
What is the definition of a “soldier” anyway? Someone with a musket slung over the shoulder? Reckon that eliminates Lee, Jackson, Sherman and Grant. Someone who is eligible to receive a medal? That eliminates the entire Confederate military, since they had no awards. People wearing a certain style uniform? General AP Hill wore a red shirt, green blanket poncho and blue jeans. Quantrill’s men? All disqualified?
Is the person enlisted as a cook only allowed to handle food? What about Dory Miller? Is a person enlisted as a infantryman only allowed to handle weapons? Reckon lots of them would die of starvation.
I tend to believe that a group of people, advancing an agenda or a movement, protecting and preserving a way of life, pioneering and pilgriming a new way, and all similarities thereof, are in fact ‘soldiers’ of that effort.
The brave souls inside the Alamo, the unfortunate souls aboard Challenger, The ragtag assembledge of men fighting the British for our Independence, Climbers of Everest, People aboard ships like Mayflower, Nina, Pinta, Santa Maria, Susan Constant, Godspeed…
I also count myself as a ‘Soldier” for Christ.
So, were there black confederate soldiers? yes. How Many? nobody will ever know. This ‘battle’ of numbers and definitions is a waste of time. Give it up y’all. Yes, there were black confederates with muskets on their shoulder and bullets in their pockets. Nuff said
What I find most remarkabel about those who refuse to accept the idea of blacks fighting for the South is that many of these same people boast of blacks who for for American independence. The Britsh offered them freedom if they fought for the King, yet many fought for the American planters who enslaved them. Why? Yet when we talk of the grandsons of those who fought for American independence fighting alongside of the grandsons of the colonial planters does not make sense. Lincoln and the North did not even want them in their army when the war started. Why is it that these liberals, who clearly hate the South, can accept thr first but not the latter?
On the website above we have links to many Black Confederate sites but the general accepted number is 93,000. The Lillian Henderson Roster of Confederate Soldiers list several. The book Letters to Lucinda by James Addison McMurtrey, speaks of a black confederate that captured 11 Yankees at Chickamauga. Black Confederates a book by Charles Kelly Barrow goes in great detail and while seeing is believing for some of you you can look at the pictures on the website and in the book. As Les mentioned during the Revolution you had Crispus Attucks and in the Confederacy you had men like 10 Cent Bill Yopp, Neptune, and Col Roberts to name a few.
“but the general accepted number is 93,000″
Generlly accepted by who? Surely only the SCV and not any legitamate historical group or historian. You mention the same old tired and tried websites and books. None of them have proved a thing and when most of those so called black confederates are researched the soldier label falls to the wayside very quickly. And we are talking soldiers right? Remember we are using the term soldier as defined by the time period, not by todays standards. Therefore, blacks in the south, whether free or enslaved are not soldiers.
Thanks for the comments, but I don’t think you have proved anything other than that which was already known…and that is suspect at best.
Who is “Col Roberts?” He’s not included on that site, as far as I can see.
Andy,
You are expecting details and sound information. If you just accept what they say and don’t question them, it is alot easier to accept their version of history…..