Once again, the SHPG on Facebook shows its true colors. Does this qualify under “I hate Yankees” enough for Connie Chastain…to find joy in the death of another human being…even a Yankee? Bill questions my ancestral heritage, but I can assure him that my ancestor, John Farmer was a member of the 60th Illinois Volunteer Infantry and served with honor in the Atlanta Campaign and the March to the Sea and into the Carolinas. He was mustered out just after the Burning of Columbia. John signed up on Feb. 21, 1862 and mustered out in March of 1865 after his enlistment expired and since the war was nearing an end he did not re-enlist. You can easily find his name among the several websites dealing with Illinois regiments during the war.
I find it very troubling that Carl would say such a thing about my ancestor despite the fact I have never made a comment about his direct ancestor(s) before or that Bill would question the accuracy of my genealogy. But I must remember who I am dealing with and be content with the knowledge I have and that they lack.
Oh, without a doubt Ms Chastain will find no problem with those words of hatred as these are actually mild compared to many comments that I have observed there. Ms Chastain is so full of hatred and bigotry that she is incapable of a clear thought on the topic.
It is ironic that the Lost Cause Traditionalists claim to be Christians yet spew hatred of their fellow man constantly in that group. They are such hypocrites.
Mr. Bridgeman, I didn’t participate in the thread after my post confirming that I had found Corey’s union army ancestor on another site. I found some of the comments somewhat lacking in taste, rather like Kevin Levin’s posting of the amateur video making fun of Confederate soldiers dying….
In any case, I note that one poster does say, “But I don’t care who knows that I hate yankees!” However, if you skim the whole thread, will also find other comments from the same person that clarify and quantify that comment.
Some else noted: “…but not all Yankee men was like that— you can’t cast the whole lot into the same basket—”
And the person who said she hated yankees clearly identified “yankee” as a certain behavior or activity — not people: “… if you participate with that kind, then you deserve the same judgment! –>Actions, not birth is what I’m talking about…<–" (Emphasis added.)
She also further clarifies it thusly: "Well, I differentiate between people born in the north and yankees. …"
And: "I think we all understand that there was good and bad on both sides, but the Southern army did not condone the kind of barbarous actions that the northern army repeatedly committed that was condoned and oft times ordered by its leadership."
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She defines "yankee" as people who exhibit a certain behavior or actions. For me "yankees" are people who exhibit a certain attitude or mindset (but that mindset can and often does lead to certain behavior). Most proSoutherners and Confederate heritage advocates conceptualize a difference between "northerner" and "yankee."
My guess is that you see, "But I don't care who knows that I hate yankees!" and don't read any further, disregard the qualifications and clarifications because you don't want to know them. You're only interested in characterizing people you disagree with as "haters."
maybe Connie, since you are so heavily involved with those people, you might stand up to bigotry on that page.
Ms. Chastain: I have no desire to mischaracterize anyone. I have went to the SHPG page on Facebook many times and I have seen with my own eyes many posts were the member has expressed hate for “yankees”. When you have several members of a group openly commenting about how they hate a group of people that have done them no harm or wrong, then you might be a hate group.
What bigotry?
yours for starters
Mr. Bridgeman, I have … went… there, many times, too, and so far, you have shown us none of the hate-yankees posts you claim you’ve seen…. A lot of times, what people see is within their own perception. Until I see the actual hate you’re talking about, I will have to assume it exists in the eye of the beholder….
Ms Chastain, there was a good example of the hate posted right here and you didn’t see it. How many examples would you need to see to believe it? Oh, don’t bother answering that, you are too blinded by your own bigotry to see it when it is posted plainly in front of you.
Mr. Bridgeman, the post is about a scene from a MOVIE. It is NOT REAL. The only expression of hatred for yankees in the thread is the one I posted and discussed, and the person who said it clearly, clearly, clearly qualified it. If this equates to hatred of Yankees, Kevin Levin’s video making fun of Confederate soldiers dying is hatred of Southerners. See? What a silly question. Of course you don’t see, even when it’s right in front of your nose…
One thing I will point out before I go into my responce is that I think Corey’s problem is the comment Mr. Roden made toward Coreys family member. I would have to agree with Corey on that part, due to it is not right nor respectful to down grade ones family. As Corey knows, I will not put up with someone bashing one of my family members, and would not expect Corey to put up with it either.
Disrespecting ones family is not how I was raised, not most true Southerners. But with that said, we can also not take the actions of one person and blame that on an entire group Cornbread.
NOW, You must understand something. Being Southern is a way of life. Its something very hard to explain, but a feeling we all grow up with and have pride in.
Our problem is that most, and I say MOST Northern folks :AKA-Yankee’s: Want to take that way of life away from the South. You say we have a hatred for Yankee’s, and in some way that is true. Its not a hatred that would be cause any harm to someone, its a hatred for trying to take something away from us we hold so dear. Our way of life and our feelings for the South is something someone from the North will NEVER understand. I see so many people from the North, move South and try and change things to be just like were they came from. We will never change. And because of that, we are either call, how did you put it Cornbread, a bigot or worse..
Definition of a bigot: A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs
Now Cornbread, wouldnt you also be a bigot according to that definition since you repeadely call us Lost Causers and bigots since we are not willing to change and believe your point of view on matters.
Mistype and correcting before someone tries to misuse what I was saying: Ment to say “Disrespecting ones family is not how I was raised, neither were most true Southerners”
Mark, I have to say that I don’t know anyone here in the North that wants to change the way a Southerner lives. Most Northerners don’t care one way or the other. Locally, we have a city councilman who was born in Georgia and his work brought him here, he married a local woman and stayed. I have yet to hear one time anyone say that he is trying to change the way we live although he has butted heads with several of the townspeople. I think the difference is that we don’t subscribe to the victimology that many Southerners do. We see it as not a Southerner coming North to change us, it is simply another person that has different ideas. I have often took his part against the people that I have grown up with because I felt his ideas were best for the good of the city.
I have studied the war for many years. I was a reenactor for many years, in fact that is where I got the nicename “Cornbread”. Over the years in reenacting I met many very intelligent Southerners, true historians who were truly interested in the preservation of their Southern heritage and we all worked together. They did not sit around name-calling and bellyaching about some wrong to their family that has been passed down from generation to generation. This is what I see so often in the SHPG. It seems that their main goals are (1) Show that Blacks fought for the South so the war had nothing to do with slavery. (2) Tell stories about how all Union soldiers were murdering rapists and thieves.
Many of the people that I have seen posting in the SHPG strike me as the Southerners that I would meet once in awhile at reenactments who were hellbent on fighting the war over again. Some actually thought that a new Confederate Army could be formed from the ranks of the reenactors. These people are not advancing the preservation of Southern heritage, they are simply reinforcing the stereotype of the ignorant redneck Southerner. These are the ones that you would so often hear speaking about how they would like to be killing yankees like their great grandpappy did. The intelligent Southerners would roll their eyes at these morons.
As far as the elitist attitude that many of those in the SHPG possess, my work has taken me into the South many times where I stayed for quite a spell. The bulk of the Southerners are not like what you find posting in the SHPG, they are decent folks who are respectful to others, no matter where they are from. The rural Southern is much like the rural people that I have encountered in West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois. The city people are often much like city people in the North. I have met both bad and good on both sides of the Mason-Dixon Line. I am sure it was that way in 1860 also.
In my opinion, unless the members of the SHPG knock off those silly rants about hating people from the North, they are doing their cause more harm than good but many are like Ms Chastain, in total denial that there is even any hateful words being spoken.
Mr. Bridgeman, as of right now (9:01 p.m. CST, December 20 2011) the first fifty posts at the SHPG and their following comments (those that even have comments ) have nothing about hating yankees, showing that blacks fought for the South so the war had nothing to do with slavery or telling stories about how all Union soldiers were murdering rapists and thieves.
I’m beginning to wonder what SHPG group you’re talking about. Since you have not put here a single link to any post or comment at the SHPG that says what you claim is rampant there, I can only conclude that you are severely mistaken or you’re … well, let’s just say severely mistaken. If it’s as prevalent as you say, it should be easy to find a post — or ten or a hundred — and bring the links over here. Since you refuse to prove your claim on the baseless excuse that you’d be violating some sort of privacy or copyright, the obvious answer is that you can’t prove it….
Ms Chastain, I am sure that you and the staff of SHPG have went to great lengths to clean up the hate speech as of late, quite possibly because of Corey’s recently bringing their hateful rants to light on this forum,
Nevertheless I haven’t went to the SHPG page lately simply because I am afraid that it is being listed as a Hate Group by government agencies and I don’t want to be identified as one of those types.
I hope that you and the rest are able to control the site and try to get something productive done as far as actually preserving Southern Heritage. I think you will find that directing your energies at something other than spouting off about hating yankees will produce productive results.
Corny, the fact is the SPLC has already labeled Corey’s page and many other Civil War Bloggers (and not just the Pro-South ones) as a meeting place for hate groups….sure they don’t post it on their “official” list but believe me the PC Fascists are always watching.
Frankly sir, you have little to lose coming to our page….other than your reputation (such as it might be) when you can do nothing but post rants rather than facts.
Carl,
What in the world are you talking about? Since when has the SPLC even acknowledged my blog, let alone labeled it a place for hate groups. I don’t understand your assmption here….not that I really care but what is the deal man?
The deal is that its a fact the SPLC looks just as closely at its “allies” as it does its supposed “enemies”…that place is not about civil rights, but about the personal power of the Washington Establishment. Plus Morris Dees gets off on having so much say in who and what constitute a “threat” and getting tons of money in the process.
You need not take my word for it, but be aware that every Civil War (sic) site and blog no matter which side they support is under scrutiny. They may not have your site, Levins, Andy’s or our own on their “hate list” but believe me my sources say that they have people keeping tabs on all of us, no matter what our “ideological standpoint” may be.
ooooooh, Carl is engaging in a finger pointing contest
Always have an excuse, don’tcha? You’re making accusations that are not true and that you can’t back up. Listed as a hate group by government agencies? What paranoia!
Oh and where exactly is our sits “posted” as a hate group on any government agency then Cornmeal? I mean, that was your rational for not accepting our offers to debate wasn’t it, fear of ending up on some alphabet agencies enemies list?
The fact is that Big Brother watches everyone, especially those who think like they do.
Carl Rotund:
As I said before, the keepers at SHPG has cleaned up the site recently, obviously removing offensive and hate-filled posts so I am not going to play your silly little game with Ms Chastain, the other Lost Cause Traditionalist losers and you.
I am not an internet policeman so I do not go around cutting & pasting things I see on the internet to prove anything to anyone. I know what I have seen, that was many hateful posts since the SHPG was formed, removing them doesn’t mean they never existed.
This is simply another case of the pitiful Lost Cause Traditionalists resorting to dishonesty to advance their agenda, unfortunately this is going to be their downfall. You lose your credibility more and more each time you pull something like this, removing hateful posts then claiming they never existed.
The Lost Cause Traditionalists actually harm the image of the Southerner more than any Northern blog ever could because their actions add dishonesty to their list of your problems such as ignorance, bigotry, and elitism.
You attack anyone that doesn’t join in with your “Flat Earth Society” or should we call it the “Mutual Admiration Society of Southerners Who Deny Facts & Proof About the Cause of the Civil War”?
The “keepers” at SHPG have cleaned up the site recently? You KNOW this? You know it HOW? Or are you just expressing an opinion? You may “think” it or you “believe” it or you “suspect” it, but you don’t know it. If you know it, you can tell me who did the cleaning, when, and what posts, exactly, that they “cleaned up.” But you can’t because there has been no “obvious” (or unobvious) removing of offensive or hate-filled posts because there haven’t been any such stuff posted.
The SHPG isn’t a site, anyway. It’s a Facebook group, subject to Facebook rules and operations. The SHPG also has group guidelines, and posts that are removed have to violate the guidelines in order to be removed. Anyone can read the guidelines. Even you.
Don’t automatically assume that because content no longer appears, somebody’s been “cleaning up” the group. First, very little has been posted that needs “cleaning up,” and, again, we have guidelines that govern it. Second — AND PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THIS, MR. BRIDGEMAN — content only stays visible on Facebook for 30 days. From Facebook’s “Help” section:
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Q. How far back can I search for posted content? How long is the search history?
A. Currently, you can only search for content that has been posted in the last 30 days. The range of the search history may be expanded in the future.
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Did you get that? Facebook’s history stores only the last 30 days of posts.
You keep saying you know what you have seen but you haven’t offered one iota of proof that any “hatefilled” posts ever existed, while proof that they do NOT exist is there for anyone to see who visits the group, and it is an open group. Anyone can read it.
I’m calling you out, Mr. Bridgeman. I’m willing to do what you are not willing to do. I state that your comment on The Blood of My Kindred Blog, date and timestamped December 23, 2011 at 1:01 am, in which you falsely people at the SHPG of ignorance, bigotry, elitism and dishonesty, is itself a dishonest and hatefilled comment. It is proof that you are guilty of what you accuse others of, but for which you never offer proof.
Connie,
This is the last post I will post for you here. You have a blog…use it!
Corey, thank you very much for maintaining such an interesting site. Merry Christmas to you and yours!
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