From the Southern Heritage Preservation Group Facebook site…
It seems that Mrs. Martha Van Scheck, President General of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, filed a Trespassing Enforcement Authorization Letter with the Richmond Police just days after the incident in which the UDC called the police on the Va Flaggers for standing on the edge of their curb to take a photo. As you can clearly hear in the audio, the Richmond Police informed the Va Flaggers that, according to the instructions they received from the UDC, “You are welcome…your person…but they don’t want the flags on there,…so just don’t take the flags on there.” They told us that the letter was filed specifically for the Flaggers, to prevent us from carrying Confederate flags on the grounds of the United Daughters of the Confederacy. They further stated that by the authority the UDC has granted, Flaggers will be arrested if they are caught carrying a Confederate flag on the UDC grounds. This is in direct contradiction to earlier claims by UDC officials that the issues with trespassing had nothing to do with the Va Flaggers, or our flags. For those who may not be aware of what has occurred over the past few months, I have posted links to the correspondence between the Va Flaggers and the UDC.
Here is the first communication, requesting Battle Flags to be raised in support of the Confederate War Memorial and the Va Flaggers: http://www.vaflaggers.com/udc1.pdf
This is the response we received: http://www.vaflaggers.com/udc1.5.pdf
Here is our initial report from the March 10 incident: http://www.vaflaggers.com/udc3.pdf
The statement issued by the President General, UDC: http://hqudc.org/about/pg_statement/index.html …
and our response: http://www.vaflaggers.com/udc2.pdf
Once again the Va. Flaggers get a dose of what private property means. It also appears that they will have a “massive…maybe another turnout of 400 people…demonstration on June 2nd according to their ring leader Susan Frise Hathaway…
For those who choose to defend our heritage, OUR TIME IS NOW.! The line in the sand has been drawn. NO MORE will we sit idly by as our flags are removed and our ancestors are attacked. We are calling on every Southerner to join us in standing against those who would DARE to remove Confederate Battle Flags from the portico of a Memorial Chapel, and, sadly, those whose words and deeds prove them complicit with their efforts.
Saturday, June 2nd, we will be gathering for a mass Flagging on the Boulevard, immediately following the Memorial Service honoring Jefferson Davis’ birthday at Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond. We invite you to attend the 9:00 a.m. ceremony and then join us on the Boulevard and be part of those who are changing hearts and minds, and forwarding the colors with honor.
We shall see…
Corey’s comment Once again the Va. Flaggers get a dose of what private property means. proves once again he is mean spirited and his agenda is genocide of our Hisotry and our culture.
Corey has proven again that he is mean spirited when he gloats over their discomfort. His agenda is cultural genocide and revisionist history. His Quote: Once again the Va. Flaggers get a dose of what private property means. It also appears that they will have a “massive…maybe another turnout of 400 people…
I’m from the South and I don’t think it’s cultural genocide at all. I think you are the one with the ‘agenda.’
Well Rob if you are one of Cory’s followers and fans you would think that. Whatcha gonna say when all the monuments and Southron historics are torn down? And then they come after the churches, the crosses, the USA Flag. Will the United Nations blue caps and a blue flag suit your agenda?
Josephine,
If you would ever pay attention you would know that I have never advocated for the destruction of Confederate monuments…and I have actually defended them…and in some cases helped provide for their relocation and protection. The rest of your comment is just conspiracy theory bull crap.
Hardly Josephine. No one has ever advocated the tearing down of monuments. Beat that conspiracy theory all you want. They also, are not going to come after the churches crosses and U.S. flag. I mean that is sort of a stupid statement. Since the U.S. pretty much controls the U.N. I’d say that we’re ok.
Sorry, Rob you are just dead wrong and you are not keeping up with what is happening, when you say: “No one has ever advocated the tearing down of monuments. Beat that conspiracy theory all you want.”
Go ahead call me names, and accuse me of all kinds or things, I am used to on this blog.
Josephine,
You are correct there have been those who have called for some monuments to be taken down/destroyed recently, but I have not advocated for that action and I hereby condemn that action. No confederate monument large or small should be taken down or destroyed or vandalized in any way whatsoever! How is that for ya?
I’d venture to say I keep up with what is happening more so than you. Maybe you could enlighten us all on where these “atrocities” are taking place. At least then we could voice our opinion on the matter. This would be more productive than you vaguely referring to them in connection with our supposed approval.
Also, I didn’t call you any names so save the defensive rhetoric.
Ms. Bass, you’re not really in a position to complain about people here calling you names.
Rob sez, “No one has ever advocated the tearing down of monuments.”
Are you serious?
No one?
Ever?
Charlottesville City Counselor Kristin Szakos says it’s time for a discussion about what Charlottesville’s historic Confederate statues are saying about this community. One of the options she’s proposing is pulling Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson down off of their stone perches.
http://www.nbc29.com/story/17240667/szakos-confederate-statues
Plaques on the Texas Supreme Court Building were removed years ago, Rob. They commemorated Confederate soldiers because the building was built with Confederate pension funds.
In Pensacola, a Lutheran pastor, Fr. Philip Mullen and his wife Teresa used to regularly agitate for the removal of Pensacola’s Confederate Memorial in Lee Square.
In 2009, columnist Peder Zane of the News Observer said that Raleigh’s Confederate monument should come down.
A mob in Selma, Alabama led by a city councilwoman attempted to tear down a monument to Gen Nathan Bedford Forrest before the city moved it to the boonies.
“As with many monuments to the Confederacy, some community activists, such as Louisville’s Reverend Louis Coleman, have called for the removal of the monument from such a prominent location …” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Monument_in_Louisville
Remove the Alamance County Confederate Monument
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Remove-the-Alamance-County-Confederate-Monument/258137934216218
Petition Seeks to Remove Denton (Texas) Confederate Statue
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2009537/posts
Group Wants Confederate Monument Removed From Pitt Courthouse
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/154814/
Some call for Chapel Hill’s Silent Sam statue to be removed
http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2011/sep/20/some-believe-chapel-hills-silent-sam-statue-should-ar-1413643/
U of Texas reconsiders Confederate statues
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16381647/ns/us_news-life/t/u-texas-reconsiders-confederate-statues/#.T7QX-lI3i2k
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And that’s just from a quick web search.
No one has ever advocated the tearing down of monuments?
Yes, they have. It’s happening from one end of Dixie to the other.
Connie,
As I have said I do not advocate the removal of monuments already established. However, I don’t think we need any more. And yes there are those who advocate for those monuments to be removed…however…to take a page from your playbook, what concern of yours are those monuments. You do not live there…you are messing in a Local Focal situation.
Just food for thought.
Connie
I answered your statement on the other blog where you felt it necessary to continue this conversation. I was answering her connection with me to such offenses.
Please clarify, what is my agenda? I would like to reply to this charge if I understood what you are attempting to say.
Rob Baker now that Connie made such a fine effort to prove my point on the monuments, perhaps you will not dismiss others so off hand and without any forethought. As a teacher it will serve our children well if you acquire finer methods of dismissal.
Josephine,
The last thing you need to be doing is lecturing about what teachers do or do not do. Until you have spent a day in our shoes keep it to yourself.
Thanks Andy for reminding me of that. It was pretty good I enjoyed reading it again.
Josephine, the Va. Flaggers has shown as well their continued disrespect for private property despite what they feel is a common cause. The UDC has said in no uncertain terms to stay off their property and leave them out of this protest and the good people of Va. Flaggers SHOULD respect those desires…but as you can see they do not…over and over.
Nice header. I like Keith Rocco’s work.
Keith is my favorite…
Corey, I’ve never seen you take umbrage with the Occupiers for violating private property. Why a whole post about the Virginia flaggers, which is really a tiny issue in the overall scheme of things, but not a word about the Occupy movement, which has far more consequences for Americans and private property and politics?
Connie,
The Occupy Movement is not a concern for me in terms of the scope of this blog. I don’t agree with the Occupy Movement and do not feel they should be using the tactics they use. But since the OM is not connected to the Civil War I don’t care to comment on it.
See, criticism with criticism. She is a master of the tu quoque fallacy.
True true Corey, and it might just get you in trouble with your powers that be. It has been noted that the left has been much in favor of these occupiers, while bashing the Tea Party with made up transgressions.
However, do consider those times 1861-1865, and up to the present, anything favorable about the South was and is dashed and thrown under the bus. Therefore, this discrimination Connie points out is of long standing duration and has worked for those seeking absolute power. All the roads lead back to 1865.
The Teabaggers have their own issues, but since this blog is not oriented towards those issues lets keep to the topic.
Ms. Van Schaick – a United Daughter of Confusion.
To show what a dunce she is this just in: Forgotten time capsule found at Virginia Historical Society.
A copper box soldered shut to keep moisture out was placed in the cornerstone of the Confederate Memorial Building in 1912, built with the Veterans funds!
Inside the box is Inside were newspapers, photographs, postcards, architectural drawings, construction contracts, Civil War signatures and records, a 5-by-5-inch Confederate battle flag, a delegate’s pin for the 1912 United Confederate Veterans reunion and even a lawsuit over fundraising — all of them in great condition, said Paul Levengood, president and chief executive officer.
“It was amazing,” Levengood said. “We didn’t know what to expect…….
really Cory, All the Virginia Flaggers are trying to do is stop the genocide of our culture. Why and how can you throw them under the bus like this. If it was not for people like them, and those by then who placed this capsule, people who were willing to stick in there thru thick and thin we would have been erased by now.
Corey,
Is this person for real? I mean really?
And Josephine, I responded to your loose general accusation with a lose generalization. Please see Corey’s prior posts for an analyzation of Connie’s fine efforts.
Hysteria over a perceived agenda does not constitute genocide in any way, shape, or form.
Neil
Quite right Neil. I’m sure the Rwandans have a difference explanation of genocide.
Rob, that’s why the modifier, **cultural** genocide, is so important. It’s the culture, or portions of it, being targeted for extinction… Get it now?
Can’t say that I do Connie. Only the insensitive scum of society would equate the two.
Corey, please, spare us. You’re no more interested in private property issues than the UDC is.
Non-destructive trespassing is a time-honored method of political or cultural protest. Remember the lunch counter protests during the civil rights movement? Remember the “sit-ins” at colleges to protest the Vietnam war (although I don’t know how “non-destructive” some of those were)?
The difference between the Virginia flaggers and, say, the Occupiers is that the flaggers aren’t destructive of the property they “trespass” on. The UDC is showing themselves to be petty and vindictive. They don’t care about private property issues, either. They care about political correctness. It would be interesting to know who they are so afraid of — who has got to them, and what they’ve threatened them with…. The flaggers are exposing the UDC as the betrayers of the legacy they’re supposed to be safeguarding and upholding.
To use the force of government against people who are just doing what the UDC is SUPPOSED to be doing is hypocrisy and betrayal, plain and simple.
You’re not interested in this because of some civil war connection, or concern for “private property.” You just hate Southern heritage advocates.
Rob, who cares about your obsession with imagined logical fallacies but you?
Rob, who cares about your obsession with imagined logical fallacies but you?
The whole field of philosophy usually cares about logic. Of course it is obvious that you don’t or you would not commit so many of them.
The whole field of communications, writing, publishing, etc., usually cares about grammar, too.
Last time I checked Connie, they weren’t proofreading comments made from a cell phone. But to each his own.
Connie,
If you cannot understand the difference of one race of people denying another race of people equal rights (IE: Lunch Counter Sit-Ins) and you want to then compare the “plight” of the Va. Flaggers to those Lunch Counter Sit-In folks…well then you have a very distorted view of race relations and history (we already knew this but what the hell, in bears repeating).
No, the UDC is showing that they choose what their organization will represent. Maybe someone in the organization now understands that the flag is a symbol closely associated with the institution of slavery and a country whose cornerstone was that very same slavery.
I suppose it’s possible that somebody in the organization has swallowed that lie, Corey. One thing the age of PC has done is to make people gullible, so they’ll “believe” whatever they’re *told* to believe, regardless of whether it’s true or not.
Or, it could just be somebody outside the organization leaning on them. Lots of outsiders have migrated here since WWII and especially since the 1970s, when the South was renamed the “Sunbelt” and appealed to retirees and workers in the declining Rust Belt economies…. They’ve attempted to remake us in their image — worming their way into our governments and schools (see: Levin, Kevin). So it’s quite possible some governmental functionary or anti-southern society bully got to somebody in the UDC.
“If you cannot understand the difference…” Of course I understand the difference in the situations that caused those groups to protest, and I didn’t say anything whatsofrickingever that equated their situations. Not one syllable. You couldn’t copy and paste where I did if your life depended on it, because it ain’t there. I simply pointed out that when it came to protesting, both chose non-destructive trespassing. Put your ridiculous, feigned outrage back in its Mason jar.
Connie,
There you go again with the PC Conspiracy theory…hard to prove or disprove…you are safe. I am sure there is a boogy man putting pressure on them and you know what it’s me…Corey Meyer…LOL!
Rob sez, “See, criticism with criticism. She is a master of the tu quoque fallacy.”
Aw, c’mon, don’t sell yourself short. You’re far more masterful at it than i am. You’re the king if cherrypickin’, too.
I’m sure you think that Connie.
LOL! *That’s* your snappy comeback?
That’s me acknowledging your ignorance.
From another blog: “The last thing placed in the capsule, and the first thing those that opened it saw……was that hand stitched Confederate flag. Interesting that the article fails to mention that little detail.”
Rob sez, “I answered your statement on the other blog where you felt it necessary to continue this conversation. I was answering her connection with me to such offenses.”
Well, I provided proof that there were calls to remove Confederate monuments and put it in your blog’s comments because, at the time, Corey was refusing to post it here.
As for answering her connecting YOU to such offense, the proper, LOGICAL reply would have been to say, “I have never advocated the tearing down of monuments.” But you said, “No one has ever advocated the tearing down of monuments.”
Do you grasp the difference between *I* and *No one*? This is why all your logical fallacy talk carries the weight of a full cargo of helium on a Triple-E Maersk container ship.
I was replying to a direct attack. I also asked for such examples to be brought to my attention so my opinion could be voiced. Then you intervened to blow things out of proportion for the sake of arguing.
I like how you are now attacking the logical fallacy concept since you can’t understand it. Stunning display of ignorance and another fallacy. Thanks for playing.
Rob says, “Can’t say that I do Connie. Only the insensitive scum of society would equate the two.”
Who is equating them? See, this is why an understanding of grammar and composition is sooo important. The addition of the qualifier, “cultural” is precisely what differentiates, not equates, the two.
The reply was to your statement on Josephine’s
comment. Its pretty much a gimme.
Self generated hysteria is not genocide.
Its boring.
Neil
Good point Neil.