David Tatum’s List…Cont.

Let us continue to vet David’s claims of Confederate Heritage Destruction.  You will note that David is currently O-2 based on the quick research I did using Google for two places David said were under attack: Dixie State University and the Confederate Monument in Jefferson, Georgia.

Silent Sam at the University of North Carolina.

It appears that in 2000 a professor on campus pushed to have the Silent Sam Confederate Monument remove.  It is now 2013 and Silent Sam is still there and was the topic of a lecture back in January on the UNC campus.  It does not appear that Silent Sam is going anywhere soon, but you can read some more information at the following links and decide for yourself.  But one can only wonder why some people might see a problem with Silent Sam’s presences.  This is a quote taken from the dedication of the monument back in 1913…nearly 100 years ago.

“At the dedication celebration, Julian Shakespeare Carr, namesake of Carrboro and Carr Hall, gave a speech where he triumphantly exclaimed,

“I horse-whipped a Negro wench, until her skirts hung in shreds” for insulting a white woman on Franklin Street.

You can find the speech here

Very Good Links to the History of Silent Sam…UNC…

David is now 0-3…ouch!

Texas State House Supreme Court Building Plaques

Two plaques in the SC building were removed way back in 2000 and in 2010 the 3rd Court of Appeal ruled that the state had the right to remove the plaques.  The way I see it…it’s a state’s rights issue…one I am sure David would back fully since we all know that the War of the Rebellion was fought over State’s Rights and not slavery…Right?  But if you don’t believe that here are some links to the story…decide for yourself.

3rd Court of Appeals Ruling…

Court Rules on Confederate Plaques…

Somehow the Neo-Confederates think they won…

“Ten years ago, state officials removed two plaques honoring Confederate veterans from the Texas Supreme Court building. That led to a long legal fight, and a ruling Friday afternoon by the 3rd Court of Appeals.

The ruling affirms that the state had the right to remove the plaques in the first place. But, representatives for the Sons of Confederate Veterans still called the ruling a victory.

“Some may claim the state won this case, but any citizen in the state can tell that the SCV won, because the state is having to pay the SCV’s attorney fees,” Ray James, the Texas Division Commander said in a statement. “In our legal system, the loser pays the winner,” James added.”

SLRC and Kirk Lyons on YouTube… such a funny little man!

I don’t know…feel like this is sort of a tie…so David is 0-3-1?

Still more to come…stay tuned!

Quotes From the Southern Heritage Movement

I have been noticing some trends in the comments of our Southern Hertiage folks, so I thought I would pass them along to my readers and see what you thought and had to say about them.

SCV CIC Givens

From the CIC of the Sons of Confederate Veterans…

‎“-Joseph Goebbels : “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Mr. Speilberg, me thinks he’s talking to you about your Lincoln propaganda film.”

I just love it when the SCV leader quotes Nazi’s on a movie that has hardly begun to be filmed.

Recently Kevin at Civil War Memory challenged our friends over at Facebooks Southern Heritage Preservation Group the following…

“What I will offer Mr. Adams and the rest of this group is the opportunity to write a response to the specific claims made in this article that will be published on this blog.  You can’t beat that.  Historical interpretations are always in need of revision based on the gathering of additional sources or a counter-interpretation of existing evidence.  This would be a wonderful opportunity to bring together the collective knowledge and wisdom of the entire group against their number one enemy.  Best of all, they get to do it on this very blog.  I look forward to reading and learning from their research on Silas.”

And please do entertain yourselves by reading the comment section on Kevin’s site regarding this challenge.

So I took it upon myself to send out this challenge directly to many of the usual suspects from the group on facebook and here is what I have recieved in response to that challenge…

From John Stones… “Take a hike Corey!  I’ve graduated from wasting my time on petty revisionists that are obsessed with themselves and the lies they’ve told for so long that they believe themselves!  Levin can write all he wants in CW Times.  It’s a PC rag that I give little credibility – even less now that they give the likes of Levin the kind of coverage they have,  LOL – Too bad he broke copyright laws – OUCH!”

Once again, it is easier to call the magazine a liberal rag than deal with history…nice move John. As for the comment about copyright laws…your guess is as good as mine…who knows with these people!

And from one of my all time favorites, Connie Ward/Chastain…

“I’m not interested in Silas Chandler specifically, or black Confederates in general, which I’ve made clear on my blog.  Twice.” 

And a quote from the comments on Kevin’s blog from good olde Carl Roden…

“Tell you what, I will play your little game….provided you offer me a carefully written, flawless interpretation of the service of one Pvt. Henry “Dad” Brown a drummer for Co. H 21st SC CSA under your “slaves not soldiers” argument…oh and spare me the whole “musicians are not soldiers” argument as I can site numerous examples of Union drummers who were decorated during the course of the war and not least of which I can provide the details that black musicians in the Confederate army were recognized soldiers and granted equal pay with their white counterparts in 1862.

Well….. can you?”

Well this will prove to be a very interesting debate and I will keep you updated as things unfold.

What the Neo-Confederate Thinks About

I found this interesting and telling exchange today over at The Southern War Room…

It started out with a post by ”Hamp” with a copy of an article from the HOUSTON TRI-WEEKLY TELEGRAPH, December 20, 1860, p. 2, c. 3: in part it said…

“…The Dallas Herald says that heavy rains have recently fallen in that neighborhood.  A large, enthusiastic and very harmonious meeting of the citizens of Dallas county was held at the Court House on the 1^st inst.  It was unanimously resolved, that “the people of Dallas county will not submit to an administration of the government by Abraham Lincoln, and we (the citizens of Dallas county) call upon our State to declare its independence, and prepare to defend the liberties of its people, and further, that Abraham Lincoln is a fit President for a community of negroes or their equals, but can never preside over freemen, the descendants of those who burst the bonds of British tyranny and gave freedom to a world.”

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FleursDuSud then comments:  ”Hamp:  I took a paragraph from your post and doctored it up.  I wish one day I could open up the Atlanta-Journal Constitution and read this:

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 The Atlanta-Journal Constitution says that heavy rains have recently fallen in that neighborhood.  A large, enthusiastic and very harmonious meeting of the citizens of Gwinnett county, Georgia was held at the Court House on the 1^st inst.  It was unanimously resolved, that “the people of Gwinnett county will not submit to an administration of the government by Barack Obama, and we (the citizens of Gwinnett county) call upon our State to declare its independence, and prepare to defend the liberties of its people, and further, that Barack Obama is a fit President for a community of negroes or their equals, but can never preside over freemen, the descendants of those who burst the bonds of British tyranny and gave freedom to a world.”

 PoP–if this is too “R”–please delete.”

So this is the fantasy of the Neo-Confederate.  It was apparently too racist for PoP, the moderator, because at the time of this post he has taken the post of interest down.  I am slightly disappointed, it would have been interesting to hear how the others on the site would react to the blatantly racist comment you see above.  One of those who frequently comments on the site and cross-postS from his site is Michael Cushman or Palmetto Patriot.

Black Confederate Possibles List Updated on 9-21-2010

I have started a running list of the names of “black confederates” found on sites on the net and from other print sources.  That list was just updated and includes 52 names.  If you have found others please add a comment to this post or the running list page and I will add them to the list.  This is list simply for the discussion of the topic and to provide a starting point for research on this unresearched topic.

I Think It Is A Fair Question…

In one of my earlier posts on “black confederates” I made the observation that you cannot tell which  confederate headstones are for “black confederates”.  I think this is a simple, straight forward question.  In the post I was actually referring to the lost opportunity of the SCV’s who are the most likely to place “black confederate” headstones to tell their story.  It appears that someone else is thinking along the same lines over at Michael Cushman’s (aka: Palmetto Patriot) SLNM.

Rob Chievers said…

Why does his tombstone not have Black Confederate listed on it since it is so important?September 13, 2010 7:41 PM

 

PalmettoPatriot said…

Do the White soldiers have “White Confederate Veteran” written on theirs? Do the Indians have “Indian Confederate” on theirs? How about the Spanish ones or whatever? That would be utterly ridiculous. He was a Confederate soldier. Period.

September 13, 2010 9:06 PM

This little discussion even made it onto the Southern War Room’s postings, so the question must have legs or these neo-confederates would not keep cross-posting the question and responses. 

Here is my point to both this and the earlier post.  Since we in the North are “purposefully distorting the truth of ‘black confederates’ ” why not when replacing or placing a stone in the first place, mark them with “black confederated” in order to end the “historical cover-up”?  Take for instance the 37th Texas’ website dealing with “black confederates”…

Black Confederates Why haven’t we heard more about them? National Park Service historian, Ed Bearrs, stated, “I don’t want to call it a conspiracy to ignore the role of Blacks both above and below the Mason-Dixon line, but it was definitely a tendency that began around 1910″ Historian, Erwin L. Jordan, Jr., calls it a “cover-up” which started back in 1865. He writes, “During my research, I came across instances where Black men stated they were soldiers, but you can plainly see where ‘soldier’ is crossed out and ‘body servant’ inserted, or ‘teamster’ on pension applications.” Another black historian, Roland Young, says he is not surprised that blacks fought. He explains that “some, if not most, Black southerners would support their country” and that by doing so they were “demonstrating it’s possible to hate the system of slavery and love one’s country.” This is the very same reaction that most African Americans showed during the American Revolution, where they fought for the colonies, even though the British offered them freedom if they fought for them.

It is obvious these people think something is up historically…despite the proven misquote of NPS Historian Bearrs.  I think this is a fair question.  Granted, it is obvious to those historically minded individuals why “black confederates” tombstone’s are not marked or marked with “black confederate”, but if the SCV’s and other “heritage” groups are really set on setting the record straight, why not spend the little extra money and tell “the truth”?

Oh…wait…that would be historically inaccurate…silly me!

PS: After this article, I think I need to get a new ” ” key on the keyboard!!