I love the kid who comes to guys defense and tell the educated young black guy that the south freed the slaves first…before the North.
This guy is what happens when you fall asleep in history class!
Are we really supposed to take these guys seriously…don’t answer…it’s a rhetorical question. But really, how do they plan to secede with this clown at the forefront of the SCLoS? And for the other nutball…the little southern cultural get-to-gether sounds more like a real hoot of a good time….not!
In the days leading to the Civil War, a battery of Citadel cadets on Morris Island fired at the supply ship Star of the West as it approached Fort Sumter, forcing the ship to turn around.
A red palmetto flag flew over the cadets during the attack on Jan. 9, 1861, which marked a victory for them, and was a significant precursor to the war.
The war officially began on April 12, 1861, with the Confederate bombardment of Fort Sumter. But some Citadel alumni and others consider the shots fired at Star of the West to be the first shots of the Civil War… Read the Rest of the Story.
Star of the West entering Charleston Harbor on Jan. 9, 1861
A great deal has been written in the day following the “You Lie” outburst directed towards President Obama by South Carolina Rep. Addison Graves “Joe” Wilson (seen above in a lovely apology/fundraising video). Over at Civil War Memory, Kevin Levin rightly makes the following comment:
Others have tried to situate Wilson into a broader historical narrative that includes the likes of John Calhoun, Preston Brooks, and South Carolina’s own place in the story of secession, Civil War, and Massive Resistance. These narrative memes are so predictable, but ultimately tell us next to nothing about what motivated Joe Wilson’s outburst. Oh…I get it. Because Calhoun, Brooks, and Thurmond are so easily lumped together in some vague reactionary category we might as well throw good old Wilson in there.
But we know that nothing happens in a vacuum there is much more to good olde Joe Wilson than meets the eye. Over at Alternet.org there is an article about 14 things we should know about Joe, which include the following: He is a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, served as an aide to Segregationist Presidential candidate and Senator Strom Thurmond and…
When Thurmond’s bi-racial daughter, fathered out of wedlock with an African-American teenage girl, came forward in 2003 — after Thurmond’s death — Wilson castigated Thurmond’s daughter, saying he did not believe her story. Essie Mae Washington-Williams was conceived of a union Thurmond had with his family’s 16-year-old maid. Thurmond was 22 at the time. “It’s a smear on the image that [Thurmond] has as a person of high integrity who has been so loyal to the people of South Carolina,” Wilson said, according to TPM. Wilson later apologized to Washington-Williams.
Wilosn is also well known in South Carolina for being one of seven state senators who voted against taking down the confederate flag from the statehouse dome back in 2000.
Republican Steve King of Iowa says: “He is an officer and a gentleman and everyone who knows him knows that…being a son of the South puts you in a different position when it comes to the Confederate flag. It means something entirely different to the people who have ancestors who fought in the Civil War on the south side of the Mason-Dixon line. So I think Maureen Dowd is trying to whip this up and I also know she’s trying to put race into it. I didn’t know what race she was talking about when I first read her line on that.” Source
So, with friends like this who apparently don’t care how others in the south or in other parts of the country feel about the confederate flag, I am sure Joe Wilson will continue to raise more and more money for his 2010 campaign. But it is the parts that make up the whole and speak volumes to us about who Joe Wilson really is. And contrary to what Kevin Levin says we should lump Wilson in with others like Calhoun, Brooks and Thurmond. Wilson’s “racism” is not the racism that we are used to seeing, the blatant KKK, Nazi-Skinhead racism of the 1980’s or the anti-civil rights racism of the 1960’s. This new breed of racism is an altogether new beast.
This new breed of racism is much more mainstream and much harder to detect. It is not, nor has it really ever been, only in the south but it has much origins in common with the south. It is deeply rooted in the “honoring” of the old confederacy and the old south. The racism is hidden from plain site and even infiltrates groups without their knowing. The SCV is the most obvious example of this new type of racism. Not everyone in the SCV or who flies the confederate flag is a racist, but racism has found a convenient hiding place. You know the old addage…where better to hide a tree than in a forest.
WASHINGTON- The normally nonchalant Barack Obama looked nonplussed, as Nancy Pelosi glowered behind. Surrounded by middle-aged white guys — a sepia snapshot of the days when such pols ran Washington like their own men’s club — Joe Wilson yelled “You lie!” at a president who didn’t. But, fair or not, what I heard was an unspoken word in the air: You lie, boy!
The outburst was unexpected from a milquetoast Republican backbencher from South Carolina who had attracted little media attention. Now it has made him an overnight right-wing hero, inspiring “You lie!” bumper stickers and T-shirts. The congressman, we learned, belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, led a 2000 campaign to keep the Confederate flag waving above South Carolina’s state Capitol and denounced as a “smear” the true claim of a black woman that she was the daughter of Strom Thurmond, the ’48 segregationist candidate for president.
Wilson clearly did not like being lectured and even rebuked by the brainy black president presiding over the majestic chamber. I’ve been loath to admit that the shrieking lunacy of the summer — the frantic efforts to paint our first black president as the Other, a foreigner, socialist, fascist, Marxist, racist, Commie, Nazi; a cad who would snuff old people; a snake who would indoctrinate kids — had much to do with race. I tended to agree with some Obama advisers that Democratic presidents typically have provoked a frothing response from paranoids — from Father Coughlin against F.D.R. to Joe McCarthy against Truman to the John Birchers against J.F.K. and the vast right-wing conspiracy against Bill Clinton.
But Wilson’s shocking disrespect for the office of the president — no Democrat ever shouted “liar” at W. when he was hawking a fake case for war in Iraq — convinced me: Some people just can’t believe a black man is president and will never accept it. “A lot of these outbursts have to do with delegitimizing him as a president,” said Congressman Jim Clyburn, a senior member of the South Carolina delegation. Clyburn, the man who called out Bill Clinton on his racially tinged attacks on Obama in the primary, pushed Pelosi to pursue a formal resolution chastising Wilson. “In South Carolina politics, I learned that the olive branch works very seldom,” he said. “You have to come at these things from a position of strength. My father used to say, ‘Son, always remember that silence gives consent.’ ”
Barry Obama of the post-’60s Hawaiian ’hood did not live through the major racial struggles in American history. Maybe he had a problem relating to his white basketball coach or catching a cab in New York, but he never got beaten up for being black. Now he’s at the center of a period of racial turbulence sparked by his ascension. Even if he and the coterie of white male advisers around him don’t choose to openly acknowledge it, this president is the ultimate civil rights figure — a black man whose legitimacy is constantly challenged by a loco fringe.
For two centuries, the South has feared a takeover by blacks or the feds. In Obama, they have both. The state that fired the first shot of the Civil War has now given us this: Senator Jim DeMint exhorted conservatives to “break” the president by upending his health care plan. Rusty DePass, a G.O.P. activist, said that a gorilla that escaped from a zoo was “just one of Michelle’s ancestors.” Lovelorn Mark Sanford tried to refuse the president’s stimulus money. And now Joe Wilson. “A good many people in South Carolina really reject the notion that we’re part of the union,” said Don Fowler, the former Democratic Party chief who teaches politics at the University of South Carolina. He observed that when slavery was destroyed by outside forces and segregation was undone by civil rights leaders and Congress, it bred xenophobia.
“We have a lot of people who really think that the world’s against us,” Fowler said, “so when things don’t happen the way we like them to, we blame outsiders.” He said a state legislator not long ago tried to pass a bill to nullify any federal legislation with which South Carolinians didn’t agree. Shades of John C. Calhoun!
It may be President Obama’s very air of elegance and erudition that raises hackles in some. “My father used to say to me, ‘Boy, don’t get above your raising,’ ” Fowler said. “Some people are prejudiced anyway, and then they look at his education and mannerisms and get more angry at him.” Clyburn had a warning for Obama advisers who want to forgive Wilson, ignore the ignorant outbursts and move on: “They’re going to have to develop ways in this White House to deal with things and not let them fester out there. Otherwise, they’ll see numbers moving in the wrong direction.”
I’m sick and tired of people that should be in the Sons of Union Veterans joining and being involved in the Sons of Confederate Veterans.
I was just reading the bi monthly magazine that SCV members receive; called the Confederate Veteran.
This 17 year old kid writes a letter to the editor. In the letter he makes a comment that seems to reflect the majority of SCV membership:
” To not fly the US flag alongside the Confederate Flag is not only an insult to our country, but also to the many sons of Confederate Veterans who have fought and died for it.”
The pin head that wrote this is Mr. Seth Parks from the Ambrose Ransom Wright Camp in Evans GA.
Mr. Parks seems to be well versed in the art of political correctness. He continues to puke his ignorance onto paper with the following statement:
“Southerners have been fighting for America since the Revolution, and continue to fight for America. To not fly the flag that they served under is a disgrace. The SCV honors all the Sons of Confederate veterans, and thus has an obligation to fly the flags that they served under- whether it is the Stars and Stripes or the Stars and Bars.”
I’m surprised that Mr. Parks was able to write this; I mean with his lips so firmly attached to Lincoln’s ass, I don’t know how he was able to pen a letter to the Confederate Veteran.
Let me tell you something “Mr. Parks” you little maggot…………THE SCV IS ABOUT CONFEDERATE VETERANS!
The SCV is not the VFW! Get through your head! The only flag that we need to fly is the Confederate Flag………..PERIOD
It’s moron’s, like you, Parks that are the ‘disgrace’. You sell out our heritage and history by displaying a flag that has but one purpose……..TYRANNY
The U.S. Flag is the symbol of the nation….including it’s government. A government that abuses it’s citizens and seeks to enslave them.
A government that is hell bent on destroying Southerner’s, their symbols, their history and their way of life. In spite of all of this, you want to tell me that I have to fly the U.S. flag……….”Mr. Parks.
You’re the insult…….you’re the disgrace; peddling your Yankee propaganda in the SCV!
Colonel John T. Coffee Camp #1934
Advance Missouri
This is a letter that appeared on the “Across Our Confederation”website the other day and is directed to a 17-year-old kid who wrote to the Confederate Veteran Magazine and is a member of both the SCV and SUVCW. According to the author’s sage wisdom, Mr. Seth Parks (the 17-year-old kid) is a “little maggot” for even thinking that the SCV should at any time fly the American flag…along with the confederate flag.
The author has missed a very good opportunity to teach Mr. Parks…and a fellow member of the SCV… a good lesson. Mr. Parks does seem a bit confused in terms of who he is addressing. It is quite possible that he is confusing the SCV for the VFW. But I really doubt it. What Mr. Parks is doing is expressing his concern for the SCV’s use or lack thereof of the American flag. He is concerned that many members of the SCV have served under the American flag and have died for this country. He is also expressing the idea that despite the fact that the Confederacy had fought a war against the United States, the United States is still a country where its former enemies and descendants can organize and remember their fallen’s deeds and actions.
A teachable moment has been lost and taken its place are the childish remarks of a grown man. But then again, this comes from a group that wants to boycott a monument being dedicated by the SUVCW because it does not tell the “southern version” of the war and a history of the events told by the “winners” uses the term “pukites”
Judge Tosses Teen’s Lawsuit for Right to Wear Confederate FlagWednesday, August 12, 2009
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — A federal judge threw out a former Tennessee student’s free-speech lawsuit against a school dress code that banned Confederate flag clothing.
Nearly a year after a jury failed to reach a verdict in Tommy Defoe’s case, U.S. District Judge Tom Varlan ruled against a retrial.
The judge said there was undisputed evidence of racial threats against minorities at Anderson County High School and school officials “reasonably forecasted” that clothing such as Defoe’s Confederate flag T-shirt and belt buckle would cause a “material and substantial disruption to the school environment.”
Defoe’s lawyers say Varlan’s ruling, which was based on a federal appeals decision in a similar case from Blount County, will likely be appealed as well.
I, myself, do not have any tattoos. I have dated women with them, have friends with them, have one in mind that I would like, but at nearly 40, I am a bit too old to get one…IMHO! But that has not stopped others from gettn’ inked with the confederate flag. Here are some of my favorites that I have found so far.
The last one I think speaks for itself in terms of how some people see the confederate flag. Granted, not everyone who gets the rebel rag inked on their body is a racist, but you have to wonder about the noose and flag tattoo. I also like the one on the back of the guys head…wonder if he is trying to cover up a barcode gone awry?!!!
Billy
The Confederate Reprint Company is a neo-confederate site that specializes in books written during and after the War of the Rebellion with, need I say it, a southern viewpoint. Now what I find very interesting is the claim that since the North won the war, they are therefore the Victors, that they have written the history. From the looks of the titles at the Confederate Reprint Company that is not altogether true.
The site is run by Greg Loren Durand (Greg also runs Crown Rights Book Company, Goose Quill Press, and Classic Reels and Broadcasts Company) who must have hit on the idea (only a guess, not fully aware of where his material comes from nor do I care) for his site after doing a Google Books search for an out-of-print book to feed his desire to understand the War of the Rebellion. Well, here is what he found…a great way to make money reprinting books whose copyright is no longer in play. By all means there is nothing wrong with this, he had the idea and ran with it…bully for him. But my question is, why spend the money when you can get it for free…?? Sure, the PDF format is on your computer and I like many history buffs want to hold the books in our hands, but these are not the original books…they are reprints!
Let’s look at a quick example: A True Vindication of the South at CRC- cost $19.00…not bad for a book compared to the prices of books at the bigger booksellers. And now for the free version…at Google Books. I think for my purposes, I will take the free version. I will also be posting the addresses of the Google Books versions of his reprints in the future.
Billy Yank
My “good friend” Clint Lacy has posted pictures of the recent dedication of the JO Shelby monument in Shelby’s hometown of Waverly, Mo. Now the SCV or anyone else has the right to spend their hard earned cash however they want, but I cannot help but think of how much that bronze statue cost and to what real historical end. On the other hand, the thousands of dollars could have gone to save a real battlefield where men died for what they believed in…whether right or wrong.
But I am sure this Shelby monument has it purpose of pushing the SCV/Neo-Confederate Movement in a new or profound direction under the guise of southern heritage.
Billy
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